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Readers Sound Off on State Worker Reinstatements

Boy, did you all have a lot to say on that issue!

 

On Friday Patch published about the reinstatement of 40 state workers who lost their jobs earlier this year amid allegations they defrauded the government to get public financial aid after Tropical Storm Irene last year.

That story hit a chord with readers, with dozens of you sounding off in the comments section about the ruling, by a state arbitrator, that said the workers, some of whom make $100,000 a year, should get their jobs back because there was insufficient evidence that they lied to get the assistance.

Some of you were outraged by the ruling, saying it reflects a “business as usual” attitude on the part of state political leaders. Others laid the blame for the entire controversy on Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, accusing his administration of incompetence.

Still others of you defended the workers, saying the process for applying for the storm aid was flawed and confusing and that the days following Tropical Storm Irene last August, which saw hundreds of thousands in Connecticut without power for days, were hectic and chaotic.

Here's a sampling of some of some your comments:

“We, the honest taxpayers get stuck with dishonest people helping to run our state government -what a farce. My taxes paying for liars to keep their jobs. I'm tired of hearing they didn't understand, are they smart enough to do their job???? My employer in the private sector would fire me with no appeal if I did anything dishonest!!!” - Clarice Richter

“If they were in the 'private sector' out on their butts - there has to be some political reason this happened - they all couldn't say they didn't know they were doing wrong - and as Ed mentioned, business as usual in Hartford - politics certainly do make strange bedfellows! Come on Dannel - rescind the ruling - be a man!” – Ernie Larsen

“Nutmeggers, might as well call this State ...  ‘State of Liars!’ ” – Happy Percy

 “I think Corrupticut says it best.”  - Dennis & Catherine Cicero

“What ever happened to common sense? If you make that amount of money, why would you ever think you were entitled to assistance? They should never be allowed back. Fire them all and they should forfeit their pensions.”  -Robert Parker

“Out of fairness to the state employees - it is my understanding that the process to determine whether one qualified for aide was chaotic at best. The rules changed from day to day, even the people in charge of processing the applications did not understand or even know what they were doing.” – Malvi Lennon (GOP candidate in the 2nd state Senate District).

“Those that were caused true hardship were able to apply and those already on the SNAP program had extra money put into their card for food to replace what they lost. This program was set up to help those that normally would not be eligible for food stamps that's where all the confusion came from, the state was not clear on it's intentions.” – Edie

“Many of the comments here are a sad reflection of the problem in this country. Yes, people do cheat, lie and try to make a buck at the expense of others. It happens every day, everywhere. Whatever happened to personal accountability and ethics? It's a me, me, me world so everyone can support their greedy lifestyles. And we promote it every day by putting greedy people up on a pedestal. And I do personally feel that state workers should be held to a high ethical standard. I too lost money due to the storms, but felt that money should go to those who were caused true hardship, not merely inconvenienced.” - Elizabeth N. Kristi

“When this goes on in the business world it's just accepted as part of business. There is a great deal of swindling/ corporate welfare that goes on where people make off with far more money... the bailout a few years back for example... not one person went to jail, and they basically crashed our economy. Everyone quickly forgot about it.... why? They got their bonuses even as this was going on... why? Did we get all of their names? They took taxpayer money to the tune of millions and we don't know who they are.” – C. Alexander

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Carl Stafford June 18, 2012 at 01:17 pm
I would like to see the full list disclosed of all the people who filed in error. Of course, only those who worked for the state were published - bad state employees, bad, bad. I'll bet dollars to cents that just as many good "private" company employees filed for assistance during that horrible storm. But in today's society it's enjoyable to fault state workers and villainize them. There are some bad state workers, just like there are bad private sector lawyers, bankers, book keepers, office workers.... but, state workers can't make mistakes after all they are "paid" by people who earn their wages through hard private sector employment. I guess state employees are bad until you need one, right?
Major A. June 18, 2012 at 01:24 pm
The difference between corporate scamming employees and state workers looking to line their pockets is that we pay the salaries of state workers. Ignorance is not bliss! They knew what they were doing. Fire 'em!
Carl Stafford June 18, 2012 at 01:28 pm
You also pay the bankers through fees. I guess you would be better off without the doctors, nurses, college professors, teachers, office workers and people who take care of the roads. Like I said state workers suck until you need one.
Bernadette Maheu June 18, 2012 at 01:45 pm
When I saw the amount of "workers" in line when it first was aired, my remark was, "yah, I'm sure all those people qualify." why didn't anyone else think the same thing and handle things differently. These are the people working for our state but they evidently don't know how to fill out a form or, read and comprehend what the are reading. Sad, very sad.
Carl Stafford June 18, 2012 at 01:49 pm
Those people? So, state employees look different than other people?
Carl Stafford June 18, 2012 at 01:51 pm
Like I originally commented - Let's publish the full list and see if it was only those horrible state workers who filed in error?
cora June 18, 2012 at 02:06 pm
I find it very difficult to believe these people filed "In error." I have a relative who was eligible who did not even know of this. We should be ashamed of not only what happened but the fact that we taxpayers are still paying them. This event has only made things much more difficult for a truly needy relative. It has really gone to the ridiculous for an eighty something year old to have to "prove" her eligiblity because of this fraud that tool place. It is not only the money they have cost us, but so much time and inconvenience, too! I am all for clamping down but, like someone said above, where is the common sense? How SAD!
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:20 pm
It seems to me to be the only pile of people that actually knew the freebies were out there.
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:21 pm
I thought it but who listens to common sense anymore?
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:23 pm
Dear Carl,
The problem is that MY tax dollars went to fund this fiasco. I DID NOT even KNOW this freebie event was happening until it was well underway. I lost food too yanno. But since I am not a state blood sucker employee, I did not even get to have a coupla bucks to help. And that money should have been going to the people that really needed it, not these union people that have better EVERYTHING than everyone else!
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:23 pm
Fully agreed Major A.
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:24 pm
Oh please. That is not the same thing. Tax dollars from the HUGE tax burden on the few people still working in this state are NOT the same thing as paying bank fees, it is simply not the same. Geez. where is the common sense? Oh yeah, this state has none, we are a libtard state.
Willow Reed June 18, 2012 at 03:25 pm
I agree, publish it and you will see that the majority of takers were those that were 'in the know' about it as opposed to the people that actually NEEDED it like me and my parents.
Herb June 18, 2012 at 03:46 pm
We'd be better of without the corrupt ones!!!
Howard Smith June 18, 2012 at 03:48 pm
Well Carl now that you mention it there are some teachers and college professors we would be better off without, (does Ward Churchill ring a bell), but we can't fire them so we're stuck with them.
Yankeelover June 18, 2012 at 03:57 pm
We elected them to look out for us all. They accept the the liars and cheaters, they are just the same types and they take from the stupid. That's us.
Yankeelover June 18, 2012 at 04:03 pm
If you don't fire them it will get worse. Corrupticut.
Danno June 18, 2012 at 04:19 pm
The cost of this whole fiasco has taken more tax dollars than the actual aid itself. That's where we ask the question, was this all worth it in the first place?? Carl Stafford has it all right. I bet there were more private sector employees who defrauded the state but they were not targeted because their salaries and wages are not public. The state employees are being discriminated against. Every single person who filed for assistance should be audited whether they worked for the state or not.
John Durand June 18, 2012 at 04:35 pm
I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tired of the gimmme gimmme gimmme society.
Government has created this monster .... that is the totally dependent and the give me mine. What starts out as a good, valid policy (ie. help the "TRULY" needy) ends up as a political tool to get votes and a way to grow government. Please don't try to tell me everyone who took this money that could not validly justify it was not guilty of knowingly and purposefully trying to scam the State. Those of us who had food loses either took an insurance claim or absorbed the loss. State workers who took DSNAP money undeservedly need to be fired and prosecuted. Private intervals who did the same, should be prosecuted and made an example of. State employees who misdirected applicants (joined the scam) should also be fired. Enough is enough. And the Gov. is guilty of making a photo opp out of this knowing exactly what the appeals process would entail.
cora June 18, 2012 at 04:46 pm
Sad thing is there are too many "bloodsucking" PEOPLE in our state (Not just employees)! Yes, it took way too much money investigating this. It should have been as it would in any private sector...FIRED! That would at least keep SOME people and employees at bay. Not all state employees are bad. I know several who are very devout, hard workers. It is a true but sad statement about Conn. being Corrupticut. It seems only many of the wrong people knew about a program not meant for the majority. They then abused it to boot, rather than allowing it to remain for those who really needed it. Again, it is very sad to think these people are the ones that stick out and do not think they will be accountable for their actions in the end. Certainly, they THINK they got away with it now, and did, but WILL be held accountable some day!
Carl Stafford June 18, 2012 at 04:58 pm
Not to kick a dead horse, but let's put this in perspective. There are 52,000 state employees, of which 125 were arrested of wrong doing; that's .002 of the employee pool; of that, 40 received their jobs back after a hearing, which means it's 85 or .0016 of the work pool that was accused. Of course, there are those writing here that HATE state workers (sad). State workers suck, until you need one.
R Eleveld June 18, 2012 at 05:04 pm
@Carl, The difference is that you can move your money to an institution that has lower fees. I CHOOSE not to do business with certain companies for my own resons. I can't CHOOSE to do busines with certain states, or localities or schools on my government dime that MUST be paid. You can't move your kids to a lower cost school unless you physically move. Many can't even contemplate that at this time. You can outsource road work, and if it is inferior you can easily fire them, you can't do so with State or local Employees.
So employed State workers that most likely got paid even if they did not show up for work because of Storm issues, and then they went to the Government teet to get more money through this program. Am I the only one that sees that as wrong.
R Eleveld June 18, 2012 at 05:14 pm
@Carl, The question really should be how many people got a "DSNAP" benefit, and how many of those beneficiaries in total were State employees and on State assistance. That is 3 numbers, total/state employees/state "clients" as welfare or assistance beneficiaries are called, a true misnomer, (Customer or client, a recipient of goods or services IN RETURN for monetary or other valuable considerations.)
The number of "illegal" beneficiaries should be a tiny #, however they do make the soup sour. It takes, as in all things, a few to spoil the broth.
Maria Giannuzzi June 18, 2012 at 07:25 pm
Is it ethical for someone earning $50,000 a year or more and getting very generous benefits to apply for a food program that is intended to serve those who earn less than $10,000 a year with no benefits or who are disabled, especially when those who are administering the program are their co-workers (also state workers)? These folks may not have done anything illegal, but they sure were unethical, and their actions have shaken the confidence of taxpayers. But we also need to remember the thousands of state workers who refused to join their unethical colleagues.
edmund dantes June 18, 2012 at 08:06 pm
What more evidence do you need that a thorough housecleaning is necessary in our government? These people were caught steal red-handed, yet they are reinstated? No wonder we have the highest per capita taxes in the entire country.
This state won't begin an economic recovery until the rot is removed.
Patsy Crothers June 20, 2012 at 03:55 am
The state employees shouldn't have even CONSIDERED applying for this. They make PLENTY of money.
Harry Sawyer June 20, 2012 at 10:11 am
You should of voted Ron Paul...
B-Mom June 20, 2012 at 11:37 am
The prominent perception that every state employee is making hundreds of thousands of dollars or even the high tens of thousands of dollars is prejudice. Not every state worker makes that high of a salary - I will admit many do BUT there are state workers making 15 to 25K.
And before anyone accuses me of being a state worker, I am not. It's so easy to assume that all state employees have huge paychecks. And yes, our taxes help pay their salaries for services that citizens use. But lumping all state workers together is being stereotyping.
R Eleveld June 20, 2012 at 02:18 pm
In fairness Beth, you need to add in the value of a pension for life, healthcare for life, and while working, the value I would estimate of ~$25K per year for a family of the benefits they receive.
Many State employees work very hard, and many do not like what collective bargaining has done for them. Many are not paid the high salaries, and many did not get themselves involved in the DSNAP mess. The reality is most of our residents interact with a few departments, most notably DMV. If that is your only experience then you may have a view that is in the mind of many not positive. Every employee has the opportunity to leave a positive impression. I said before a few bad apples spoil the pie, and that is what has happened.
Rick McDonald June 22, 2012 at 01:44 pm
So one state employee for every 67 non state workers. What exactly are they doing for us, and don't say taking care of roads and such. We are lucky if the North/East end of I-95 gets plowed by the day after a storm.
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