Who Won the Vice-Presidential Debate?

Paul Ryan and Joe Biden debated on Thursday night in Kentucky, and participants in Patch’s statewide live blog in Connecticut offered some pointed observations.

Often acting as surrogates for their running mates, Joe Biden and Paul Ryan squared off on international affairs, taxes and abortion, among other topics, in the only vice-presidential debate of the election season.

The candidates found little to agree on, whether it was a military withdrawal from Afghanistan, raising taxes or reforming entitlement programs. As expected, both sides spun the debate performances as victories.  

One clear winner appeared to be widely-praised moderator Martha Raddatz, yet she did receive some criticism from conservatives.

Patch ran a statewide live blog that attracted in upwards of 40 participants who offered their thoughts on the debate. Here are some of their reactions.


It's a toss-up. Biden: overconfident "I'm the voice of experience." Ryan: far-too-smiley equanimity.

John Flanagan:

Fortunately, or unfortunately, to the benefit of whichever VP candidate is deemed tomorrow, by the talking heads, to have fared worse, the debate is scheduled in the midst of the Yankees/Orioles, A's/Giants baseball playoffs and the Thursday night Steelers/Titans football games.


I was a little underwhelmed by this debate, but...full disclosure, I was a little distracted so it might be better when I rewatch it from the start.


Biden is a mouthpiece, an empty suit.


"Sometimes the words do not come out of your mouth the right way [said by Ryan to Biden]" will be the quote for the 2012 debate.


I love Biden's Passion.


Biden just nailed him on being a hypocrite about that stimulus.


Ryan is calm, cool, and collected. Biden is angry and looks like a fool.

Archie Bunker III

Ryan, the phony also said he RAN a marathon in under 3 hours, when in REALITY-VILLE, it was OVER 4 HOURS. A completely scummy lie, FOR SURE! I ran 15 marathons more than 30 years ago and have NO problem remembering the times.

Who do you think won the debate? Tell us in the comments!

Robin Hood October 12, 2012 at 04:15 PM
Paul Ryan is completely FOS and the facts prove it and if you vote republican just to prove you weren't wrong about W and Cheney well you are too. Thanks for helping them screw the nation over. Really great job, pat yoursleves on the backs, truly an amazing job of not using your brains and pandering to your own egos.
bundy55 October 12, 2012 at 04:25 PM
i worked very hard all my life and just lost my job because the company i worked for closed down leaving me unemployed and of need of aide to provide for my household and i was so upset at the comments that all people on welfare are low class just wish people wouldnt judge people and live as one and not look down on people for whatever reasons.....peace and love to all
Knickerbocker October 12, 2012 at 05:12 PM
At least Biden looked human and was passionate about what he stands for. Ryan was just a well-rehearsed liar. I am neither Rep. Or Dem., but I have to say that you Reps. have the shortest long-term memory span I have ever witnessed. My word! Bush and Cheney left such a terrible legacy that it will take decades to recover from this and you expect this presidency to clean up the mess in 4 years with a Republican congress whose attitude is to not move forward on addressing problems even if we agree with the solution and they are good for the country because it will make Obama look good – treasonous !
Pro Death October 12, 2012 at 05:18 PM
Robin Hood, too bad your gonna wake up when it's too late.
Pro Death October 12, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Pick your poison, if it happens to be Biden the belligerent horse toothed jack ars you have some serious issues in your head.
George October 12, 2012 at 06:20 PM
"At the brink of war in no time"? They've been leading this country for four years, no NEW wars and we're out of one of bush's wars and scheduled to be out of bush's second war in about 2 years. Did you say the same thing about bush/Cheney (who made MILLIONS from the two bush wars) in 2000 as Scalia et. al. were handing the presidency to them?
George October 12, 2012 at 06:25 PM
They were too busy sedating Ryan's debate coaches.
The Barefoot Accountant October 12, 2012 at 06:30 PM
China is hiring @ 50 cents/hour.
Guido October 12, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Knickerbocker: Ronald Reagan looked human, too. Your point?
Bill October 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Yea, Biden looked human like the joker looked human. Then he lied about not forcing medical institutions to do things against their moral beliefs, interrupted Ryan over 80 times, and laughed and snickered the whole night. He came across as a nasty angry old man, the old codger who yells at the neighborhood kids to get off his lawn.
Bill October 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM
Hey, robin, what is the Obama administration covering up regarding the Libya embassy debacle? What are they hiding?
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM
You misguide person. (Need I say more?)
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Multo Bene: If you can do better, why don't you run for office instead of shooting off your mouth?
Pensadora October 13, 2012 at 12:51 AM
If you follow political news you know that Biden is lying about the Lybian murders. The administration was well aware of the need for more security at the embassy and refused to provide it. Biden was disrespectful and arrogant, while Ryan was well prepared, well spoken and respectful. Biden was sent in as a Pit Bull to take down his prey, and if you are a sold-out Democrat, you believe he succeeded. But who raises the question of why wealth has been peddled as evil by the Democrats? Part of the American dream has been to pursue happiness and if you work hard and do smart things you may become rich no matter who you are. And, what's wrong with that? Instead we're told by the Democrats (particularly Obama) that we must "pay our fair share." The American people are paying plenty and the wealthy are paying through the nose already. Once you kill the Golden Goose, there are no more Golden eggs. Anyone who follows both the right and the left political spin and is well informed is on to the Democrat propaganda and sick of the party redistributing its hard earned cash in wasteful ways. We are determined to keep our $ and distribute it more wisely than the government does. Who won? If you are well informed,you believe Ryan won. If you are still duped, you think Biden won. It's that simple.
Pensadora October 13, 2012 at 12:55 AM
Sorry, that should be spelled "Libyan"...
PaulCT October 13, 2012 at 01:06 AM
Pensadora, you described this EXACTLY how I feel as well. In OUR great country (...not "THIS country" as Obama says always), It IS and has been the American Dream to be a success, and as a reward for that success, to raise your income to heights one couldn't reach without working either hard or smart or both. Each part of your posting is spot on. Thanks for the posting. I'm cutting/pasting it and sending to my e-mail list.
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 01:13 AM
I really don't give a damn who won or did not win the debate. I t will be settled on Nov. 6, 2012. If R & R do win and two years into their term the country is worse then it is now, will you post a comment saying you made a mistake in voting for them? I doubt it.
Guido October 13, 2012 at 03:55 PM
No one can explain how 25 million decent paying jobs will be created when Multinational Corporations continue to ship jobs overseas where they pay 25 cents per hour. Right now our government is negotiating the Trans-Pacific Treaty behind closed doors to ship millions of more jobs overseas. Both major political parties have sold out labor and the middle class. My wife and I lost our jobs, and two neighbors tangential to our house lost their jobs. Your job may be next to be outsourced. Get focused on the real issues and unite, and stop quibbling about issues meant to divide us.
Pensadora October 13, 2012 at 04:50 PM
We know that both major political parties sell out in many ways. However, the country is so far left now that center looks like the extreme right to most Americans. So no solid candidate who would really begin to tighten the reigns on deficit spending and totalitarianism could ever win the nomination. So, we must vote for the candidate who comes closest to our own political and economic approach to government. So, Robert, when you say we should focus on "the real issues," what are you suggesting? You think we don't know people are losing their jobs and that both political parties are responsible for this? Why don't you enlighten us, Robert if you have the solution? Are you saying we should not watch the candidate debates? What's your point?
Guido October 13, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Our government officials in Congress and the Administration are on the payrolls of big corporate and lobbyists donors: consequently, their policies serve the donors interests, not those of us. My point? Both candidates and parties are shrills to their interests, not ours. Where are the jobs? Where are the small businesses of the past? Jobs are going overseas and small businesses are being forced out of the marketplace by Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Staples, et al. My point? Get money out of politics. Period. Stop legalized bribery. Break up the "too big to fail", "too big to jail", banksters. Ask any small business if it can get loans today. Small businesses create 80% of the jobs here. They don't ship them overseas. Bring back a democracy and end this plutocracy, the rule by an aristocratic class. Both Romney and Obama are bought. That's my point. Stop arguing and dividing yourselves over left and right, liberal and conservative. We are all on the same ship and the ship is sinking. Unite and stop fighting each other. Remember the phrase, "divide and conquer"? That's what the powers that control our government are doing to prevail over us. Stop their money from buying the media and our government.
Herzovet October 13, 2012 at 07:51 PM
What does it matter - the real test is in the voting booth. I myself could care less about the debates - you have to go by the accomplishments and qualities of each candidate. I'm not a political person - yet I have never failed to vote in any election - if you don't vote - you cannot legitimately complain. Ryan does scare me and I noticed that the Republicans here in Ct are pretty much keeping their distance from the top of the ticket. Just remember get out and VOTE!
Pensadora October 13, 2012 at 09:21 PM
So, Robert, I take it that you are recommending that we don't vote for either presidential candidate? Ernie, you say Ryan scares you but Obama doesn't? Please! Do us a favor and stay home on election day...
William Wilson October 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM
Who looked and talked like the Vice President/candidate. It sure wasn't our current Vice President who mocked Ryan by his facial expressions during the entire debate. Anyone who can honestly say Biden won isn't be honest with themselves.
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM
If you knew anything about debate forum you would not comment. This was an OPEN forum so either one was allowed to grin smile or, look smug as Ryan did.
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 11:33 PM
"God" Help you baby boomers if Romney and Ryan are elected, your Medicare will have vouchers attached limiting what you will be able to spend. If you really want to have a pension and health care then, insist that the industries that move out of The USA return home and put OUR people back to work. Whatever happened to the Loyalty that companies used to have for employees who gave 30-35 years of their lives to a company that was supposed to take care of them? Moved to China so as not to have to pay part of the employee's Social Security tax or medical coverage. HMOs sprang up and it wasn't too long thereafter that many medical procedures were denied. I will close with this question. Is this what you really want?
Tony M October 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Get a Life.
Guido October 14, 2012 at 12:21 AM
There are several independent candidates fighting this corruption of our government and our elected officials; but the media do not give them any air time. The six major media are owned by the Multinational Corporations. I won't vote for either Obama or Romney; however, I am free to vote for Anderson, Stein, Johnson, and others, who are independent candidates. Corporate America provides us an illusion of choice, but they are both whores.
Guido October 14, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Obama intends to cut social security by raising the retirement age. So it's not only Romney and the Republicans; the Democrats have blood on their hands, too. Consider voting independent.
Pro Death October 14, 2012 at 01:16 AM
"God" Help us all if Obama and Biden are elected!
Guido October 14, 2012 at 05:19 AM
Are not campaign contributions legalized bribery? And if so, are not politicians guilty of treason for selling political favors? And isn't treason a capital offense? So why do Americans allow these traitors to get away with these capital crimes? They just call bribery campaign contributions.


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